On Sunday 25th January 2015, the atmosphere in The SCOAN reverberated with echoes of edifying anthems from the Emmanuel Singers who encouraged the congregation with soul-lifting songs. As indicated by the attentive yet participatory inclination of the entire congregation, the songs from the Emmanuel Singers served as forerunner to the moment of exhortation when the mind must be fed with spiritual food for thought.

Prophet T.B. JoshuaEvangelist Catherine delivered a thought-provoking message titled DIG DEEP; FIGHT IT THROUGH. She captured the dynamics of the Christian race in uncertain and perilous times and put it in perspective from collective and individual angles. Citing the life of Apostle Paul as a typical example, she encouraged Christians to remain of good cheer in the face of all the trials and challenges that are part of life.

“In Romans 7:15, Apostle Paul said, ‘I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.’ But despite the predicament he found himself in, he did not stop, he did not give up, he did not allow his weakness to pull him down or tear him apart; he continued to run the race, to fight the good fight and he kept his faith. Our God – powerful and faithful to His faithful ones – raised him to such an extent that we still look to and learn from Paul as one of the greatest apostles that ever lived”.

Explaining the concept DIG DEEP, Evangelist Catherine uncovered hidden facts about appearance, packaging and deception. Just like the popular advertising lingo “appearance is not reality”, she urged Christians not to judge things based on their face value or appearance because appearance could be deceptive. Sometimes, blessings are disguised as troubles and vice-versa. There are generous biblical exemplifications of this fact. The fig tree that Jesus cursed in the Bible appeared fruitful from face value but was actually full of leaves and fruitless.

Evangelist Catherine - SCOANHence, according to Evangelist Catherine, the true Christian must be meticulous in his or her judgement by being thorough in analysing scenarios. When times are hard, our tears and complaints are not the solution. Instead, our ability to dig deep and discern the lessons inherent in such experiences is most important. Using the experience of Moses and the Israelites in Egypt, she encouraged Christians to dig deep for the voice of God in all circumstances rather than allow themselves to be distracted by the extraneous voices of their circumstances.

“Moses dug deep within him and heard the One who had sent him instructing him what to do. It is not difficult to act when you know God is speaking to you. Because Moses’ heart was deeply engaged with God, he was familiar with His voice, so when God spoke, Moses listened and obeyed what God told him to do. That voice on the inside was greater than the noise on the outside and following God’s instruction, the sea was parted in two and the Israelites with Moses safely walked through”.

Bemoaning the panicky and defeatist attitudes of most Christians in the face of trouble, Evangelist Catherine counselled the congregation to seek direction from the throne of grace rather than cling to the promptings of the human thinking and flesh. “When trouble comes, many run to the strong arm of institutions, medicine or flesh but according to God’s Word, we are to run to the throne of grace as a chosen people, a royal priesthood, God’s special possession called out of darkness into God’s glorious light to praise His holy name”.

According to Evangelist Catherine, every human being is shaped by the predominant thoughts he or she continually harbours. In other words, we are what we think. It is on this basis that she counselled Christians to think like champions and conquerors which they really are and look up to God in times of trouble believing strongly that He is able to see them through whatever life throws at them.

“I want you to think differently, talk differently, look differently, behave differently – knowing that Someone stronger, smarter, more powerful than you is for you, not against you, is fighting just for you and is more powerful than the combined forces of earth and hell. He wants to see you through whatever life brings. Whether the goings are good or tough and unpredictable, He wants to see you through – if only you give God a chance to prove it”.

God’s Word will never return to Him void without accomplishing that which it is sent to accomplish and the songs of praise and thanksgiving will never depart from His house. The following testimonies proclaim the wonderful works God is doing at The SCOAN through His anointed servant Prophet T.B. Joshua. Just believe and you too shall a partaker of His glory!

During the Saturday Prayer Line service, Prophet T.B. Joshua introduced the eagerly awaited, ‘Morning Water’, ministering it to several people in the prayer line who came with severe afflictions. The results were extraordinary as with just a spray, sickness bowed the knee to the name of Jesus Christ and evil spirits behind infirmities were forced to get out. The following day, several of those who were ministered to with the Morning Water returned to share their triumphant testimonies!

MR KALU KALU Mr Kalu Kalu was in agony. Literally, each movement was accompanied by searing and shooting pain that made even a mere attempt to walk hellish. An accident in April 2014 left a fracture in his vertebrae compounded by a disc compression. His job in the civil service was threatened as he could no longer perform any of his duties due to the debilitating condition. A surgical operation was recommended by doctors but Mr. Kalu’s faith rested on God’s power.

Sitting down watching Emmanuel TV last week, he was amazed to discover The SCOAN Saturday Prayer Line service would hold the following week. By God’s grace, he made the difficult, painful journey to Lagos and was arranged at the Prayer Line. Prophet T.B. Joshua ministered the Morning Water upon Mr. Kalu’s hands, telling him to place them on any part of his body which was in pain. He rubbed the Morning Water upon his back and suddenly rose to his feet! “It was as if something came out of me and the pain just disappeared,” Mr. Kalu told the congregation. For the first time in eight long months, he was able to walk by himself. Returning home that night, he slept peacefully without pain for the very first time since his accident! Indeed, Mr. Kalu was able to genuinely greet his health ‘Good Morning!’

Mr Victor AgbedoThe dawn had awoken. Mr. Victor Aghedo stirred from his sleep. He tried to get out of bed but his legs remained immobile. Attempting to sit up, a wave of pain hit him. It was agonizing. Unable to get up from the bed, Victor desperately beckoned on his wife. That was the beginning of two long months characterized by constant pain. He literally relied on his wife for everything – even to go to the toilet! Several medical tests could not ascertain exactly what had happened to Mr. Aghedo but the facts remained the same – he could not walk.

Painfully struggling to make his way to The SCOAN accompanied by his wife, Victor sat at the Prayer Line and pleaded with God for mercy as Prophet T.B. Joshua approached. Moved upon seeing his plight, Prophet T.B. Joshua gave the Morning Water to Mr Victor’s wife and told her to minister it to him. ‘But I am not a pastor,’ she internally questioned. She poured the Morning Water into her husband’s mouth twice. Suddenly, the man who had been practically bed-bound for the last two months jumped to his feet with the athleticism of a young man! “The pain just disappeared,” Mr. Aghedo joyfully testified to The SCOAN congregation. He advised them to believe nothing is impossible with God’s power, stating that he personally drove to the church the following morning and walked by himself into the auditorium to authenticate the mightiness of the miracle he received! Thank You, Jesus Christ!

MISS MILLA VVONE (1)The numbing paralysis continued creeping slowly across her entire body. What began with heaviness and weakness in her lower limbs soon deteriorated into full-blown paralysis for Miss Milla Yvonne, a young Cameroonian. Her educational aspirations were blighted by the onset of the ailment which doctors concluded was due to spinal degeneration. As her condition worsened, Milla’s faith strengthened as she courageously decided to make Emmanuel TV a constant companion and believe God for healing.

When it was announced that The SCOAN Saturday Service had returned, Milla, joined by her brother and mother, decided to make the difficult journey from Cameroon. Braving all the odds against them, including language barrier, they made it to The SCOAN for the Prayer Line service. Milla was seated in a vehicle when Prophet T.B. Joshua approached. He called for Milla’s brother to come forward and ministered the Morning Water on his hands before telling him to minister it to his sick sister. As he followed the instruction in righteousness and Milla received the Morning Water, her limbs which had been numb and lifeless suddenly began to shake! The resurrection power of God pulsated through her entire body and suddenly, Milla rose up and began to walk! Her mother and brother fell to the floor in an emotional display of appreciation to God as Milla began walking and even started to run!

MR PRELATI LUCIANO (1)For eight years, Mr. Prelati Luciano had an unusual nocturnal companion – a machine. After being diagnosed with a rare form of sleep apnea which was extremely dangerous, doctors prescribed a breathing machine, informing the Italian that he would have to use this machine every night for the rest of his life. Despite the use of the machine, Mr. Luciano would awake with irritability and restlessness. His breathing was both heavy and painful due to the condition.

Despite his skepticism, he accompanied his Nigerian wife to The SCOAN in Lagos to attend the Prayer Line together. By God’s grace, the very week they arrived in Nigeria was the time God spoke to Prophet T.B. Joshua to release the Morning Water. As he ministered the Morning Water to Mr. Luciano, he began to stagger, clearly under the influence of God’s power. Immediately afterwards, he testified that he could breathe freely without any hindrance. However, the full extent of the miracle was only to be revealed later that night. Taking a bold step of faith, Mr. Luciano decided to sleep without using the breathing machine. To the glory of God, he slept peacefully and awoke the following morning without the usual tiredness and tetchiness. “The Morning Water is very powerful,” were the Italian’s final words to viewers!

MRS ONUCHE MARIAM (1)Mrs. Mariam Onwuche was facing a dilemma which seemed impossible to overcome when viewed with natural eyes. She and her husband were desperate for children but after two ectopic pregnancies ending in operations, both of her fallopian tubes had been surgically removed. Depressed and distraught, the medical authorities reluctantly informed the couple that it was impossible for them to ever have children.

However, a ray of hope shone upon their hearts as they discovered Emmanuel TV. Listening to Prophet T.B. Joshua and seeing the works of God rekindled their faith that with God all things are still possible. They watched the 2013/2014 Candlelight service with the man of God, Prophet T.B. Joshua and joined him in prayer as they entered the New Year. Then, the miracle happened. That night after the prayer, Mrs. Onwuche had a dream in which Prophet T.B. Joshua came to her and told her not to worry as she would soon have her child and come to give her testimony. After meeting with her husband, a short time later, she became pregnant and true to the vision she had had, she came to The SCOAN to testify of the pregnancy.

Tears of joy etched the lines of her cheeks as she proudly stood with her husband and family to testify with their beautiful baby girl, Miracle Onwuche. She encouraged all others who had desire in their hearts to experience God’s power that distance is not a barrier. All they should do is believe, touch the screen by faith and get ready to come and share their own testimony of transformation.

HRH IGWE GODWIN NWAOBU1A king? Godwin Nwaobu thought his community was playing a joke! The South-African based businessman had just returned to Enugu State when the unusual proposal of kingship was laid before him. Knowing the entanglements attached to such a position, Godwin decided not to respond immediately to the request, telling his kinsmen that he needed a year to ‘hear from God’ before taking a decision. ‘God? Where will you hear from God?’ many irreverently scoffed. Several months down the line with the deadline of his decision nearing, Godwin had yet to make up his mind. Confused and perplexed, he decided to visit a place where he knew God’s voice was clearly being spoken – The SCOAN.

Sitting down during the Monday Prophetic service, Mr. Nwaobu made an unusual vow. ‘If Prophet T.B. Joshua does not speak to me today, I will forget about this title.’ A short time later, as Prophet T.B. Joshua was prophesying in the midst of the congregation, he walked up to him. “I am seeing beads on your hand,” Prophet T.B. Joshua revealed. There were no visible beads to be seen and the two had never met themselves previously nor had Godwin revealed his dilemma to anyone. God had spoken. Confirmation from Heaven had been unveiled. Today, HRH Igwe Godwin Nwaobu of the Ugwuleshi Community in Enugu, Nigeria stood to testify that no word from God is void of fulfillment!



Jesus Christ is reachable; you are not far from God.
No state of being is as rewarding as living in tune with God! Everyone has a desire to experience God because He has set eternity in the hearts of men. Apostle Paul says in Philippians 3:7-11:
“But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.”
When you have a relationship with Jesus Christ you change and become a man/ woman who is directed by your heavenly Father and not by the influence from men or circumstances. If you want to experience God and be all God has called you to be, you have got to spend your time with Him and learn from Him at His feet.

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“For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39).
Apostle Paul was able to make this bold declaration of faith because he was wired to God, the Creator of Heaven and earth in a unique way. When you are wired to God in a unique way, nothing can separate you from the love of God. Today, our trials can separate us from Jesus because we are not wired to Him. Today’s language is only heard with the ears but the language God uses in the Bible must be heard with our hearts. When you become wired to God, the Holy Spirit affects your words and you begin to speak the language God used in the Bible to create and save us, to heal and bless us, to judge and rule over us.
When you hear God’s Word in your heart, you begin to get God’s ideas, work with His projects, know His opinion about yourself and others and see life the way God sees it. Then, you will dream differently, think differently, have a sensitivity you never had before and enjoy the privilege of letting the Creator of Heaven and earth assist you in whatever you do. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour and get ready to be wired to God in a unique way. If you are wired to God in a unique way, there is no one and there shall never be anyone quite like you.

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Prophet T.B. Joshua stretched his hand and prayed with worshippers against ‘fleshly lusts, and ungodly thoughts and desires.’ He later on ministered prayer at The SCOAN Prayer Line where demons were cast out and healings declared in the mighty name of the Great Physician, Jesus Christ.

WISEMAN CHRISTOPHEREarlier on, Wise Man Christopher delivered a powerful and enlightening message titled, “LIFE IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE” whose proof text was drawn from Genesis 37:5-11,19-20; Genesis 39-45.The message centred on the need for Christians to begin to look at challenges as life’s lessons – a thing he said is made possible when one relies on the strength of Jesus Christ. Wise Man Christopher drew people’s attention to the Scripture of one of the greatest personalities of the Bible – Joseph, saying the hard times he went through in the dry pit, Potiphar’s house and in the prison, were God’s own way of preserving him for the glory ahead.
He said it was during the dark periods of his life that Joseph gained the necessary experience and maturity to handle the responsibilities imposed by the exalted position in the royal court in Egypt.

“If he had become the prime minister earlier than he did in Egypt, he would have been too inexperienced to handle the position. Ask any successful person in Christ Jesus and he will tell you how much humiliation, hardship, disappointment, disagreement, persecution and rejection he had to endure in order to come to a new level in life,” said Wise Man Christopher quoting the wise words of Prophet T.B Joshua who once said, ‘Successful people don’t just drift to the top; it takes focused action, personal discipline and a lot of energy everyday to make things happen’.

He therefore encouraged Christians to feel strong in challenges if things are to happen, believing that one’s personal improvement and fulfillment in life, comes through the continual process of learning from both positive and negative experiences. He also referred to 2 Corinthians 12:7-12. He said Apostle Paul’s thorns were meant to keep him humble; to keep him from becoming conceited and proud.

“That was God’s own way of expressing His unfailing love towards Apostle Paul by hiding pride from him. Wherever you are, whoever you are and whatever you are going through in life, no matter your physical ability, ethnicity, nationality, race, gender or status stay with one thought in mind, ‘You are loved by God,’” he said.

TB Joshua Talks on Adeboye’s Jet

A remarkably intriguing interview with Prophet TB Joshua, conducted by The Sun of Nigeria…

Today, we bring you the conclusion of our interview with Prophet T.B. Joshua, the controversial founder of The Synagogue Church of All Nations. He speaks on the misunderstanding between him and some evangelical and Pentecostal leaders in Nigeria. He also reacts to the trend of church leaders in Nigeria owning planes. He was asked one Satanic question: Have you cheated on your wife? Excerpts:

Pastor Adeboye said he would not worship in your church. How do you react to such a statement?
I want to say something. Everybody makes mistake. Everybody. That’s all. Perfection eludes everyone. So, for me personally, I respect integrity. Look at me here. Even if you don’t look at me, look at the so many people of different calibre that believe in what I am doing here. So also, Baba Adeboye has so many people, people that matter in the society that believe in what he is doing, what God is using him for. So if I now open my mouth and begin to speak to such a man, I think it’s uncalled for. It’s unnecessary. It’s not Christ-like. I am not speaking to him, but I am speaking to people that believe in him. I am brought up from a home where we are taught to respect elders. We were taught not to speak against elders, even if elders speak against you. And in the same home too, we were taught that elders should not speak also against the young.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor, President of Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, said you should first of all show him who pastured you before they could consider admitting you into their membership.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor

As a point of correction, I never applied to be a member of any association. Okay? So that is a point of correction. Two, the way and manner God executes His plan in our lives differ. Some He brought them from this direction, some from another direction, some He allowed to go to Theology school, some He allowed them to go to the university, (and) they may not even go to Theology school. After graduation, they would become whatever God wants them to become. Some, they may not even go to school at all. There is the University of God where you would not be promoted, no matter how brilliant you are, until you take every course. Do you understand me?

Prophet TB Joshua - In The University of God, however brilliant you may be, you will not be given double promotion. You must take every course, because each course serves a purpose.

You are saying in effect that maybe they are looking down on what you are doing, because you didn’t pass through the formal process they passed through.
Do you say you understood what I said? I told you that the way and manner God executes His plans in our lives differ. Okay? The direction that God would take you through and when we all become pastors, sometimes God would send some to local level, God send some people to national level, God send some people to minister to the whites and some, their anointing cannot pass beyond the black. Some God sent them to minister to presidents and kings. The way and manner God called us differs. That is why we should not compare ourselves with others. And that is why we should not be measuring ourselves to ourselves.

In the process of building this big institution, have you made mistakes?
You see, everybody has dry pits. And also, everybody has his prison condition. Also, everybody has his Potiphar’s house. So that is my answer in the form of a parable. Let me tell you something: When you wake up in the morning and you discover your hand is free, your leg is free, you are okay, that may likely not encourage you to watch and pray the more. Problems make us to pray more and fast the more. Difficulty makes us to pray and fast the more. And, weakness also… Look at Paul, the Apostle. Three times he came to God. He said: “Lord, this is a thorn in my flesh.” The Lord said to him: “My grace is sufficient for you.” There is reason for that. God used that to preserve him from becoming too proud and begin to see himself that ‘I am this, I am that’.

When you look back, are there areas in your spiritual journey that you didn’t do well and you feel like correcting?
I am not God. I am a servant. And a servant looks unto perfection. God is perfection. So that is it.

You are not making effort to make peace with the other ministers so that there would be no question of T.B. Joshua is not this, T.B. Joshua is not that. Didn’t the Bible say you should pursue peace?
If I can give you the audience I am giving you now – this is a wonderful atmosphere. That is my nature. I love everyone. But I trust only God.

How do you feel over the contempt people have for you? The fact that they don’t speak well of you and they say you don’t belong to their fold.
Can I ask you a question? If we remove what is not made in Nigeria from your body, you would remain naked. If I say okay, ‘Give me those things on you that is not made in Nigeria’, and you would find yourself naked. So, what are we talking about?

Meaning what?
That is a parable. Put it in the paper like that. What I am saying is that a prophet is not honoured in his hometown. And because you are not honoured in your home, that has nothing to do with the anointing of God. That does not mean you are not honoured.

What is the central focus of your ministry? What is your message?
Salvation. Salvation is the house and when you open the house, you can now see healing, you would see blessing, you would see prosperity. If anybody now begins to ask for healing, healing, healing, it’s like you want God to just give you fridge in the house. What of the whole house?

One of the accusations against you is that you are making yourself God, that you are not submitting yourself to Jesus, that the reason you are called Emmanuel is like you are God Himself.
No, Emmanuel is in the Bible. Emmanuel means ‘God is with us’. That’s our greeting. Like many churches would say ‘Hallelujah’ or ‘Hosanna’. So what is bad about that? You have been here over an hour now – do you see any of that? That is it. That is why you should go and tell the world that this is what you heard and this is what you have seen. How can anybody now see himself as the Master Jesus when all the healing, deliverance, salvation are not brought to pass by anything we have done, except by His name. He who glories must not glory in himself, but in the Lord. So that is it.

It appears that all is of grace because all our spiritual advantages are from God. Our faith, our conversion, our eternal salvation are not the product of any natural gift or any natural ability. So no man should boast. It’s blasphemy for anybody to say he is Jesus. If anybody calls himself Jesus, that person is not normal – he is mental.

Who is your own father in the Lord or mentor?
When we talk of mentor, we mean someone you want to be like or someone you believe you have gained from. After reading my Bible, I give a total salute to Paul, the Apostle, what God wrought through him after his deliverance. Peter and Paul, the Apostle. But I pray for all the ministers of God. They are all my mentors. Okay?

How has not going to a university impacted you?
When there is the University of Jesus… you know Jesus has a university. That is where you can receive His message in your heart. But if you did not attend His university, you cannot receive His message in your heart. While in the other universities you receive the message in your ears, in the University of Jesus, you receive the message in your heart.

What differentiates The Synagogue from any other church?
There is no difference. Whatever happens here in terms of miracles, in terms of salvation – what you are seeing, there is no difference. God is the God of these fingers. Look at these fingers, they are not equal. Look at it.

Prophet TB Joshua - The way and manner God executes His plans in our lives differs

What differentiates you from other preachers?
Nothing. Nothing differentiates me. Rather, I want to tell you that no matter the level that one reaches, there is always another level to reach.

Your critics say if you pass a place, people would rush and go and touch the sand and all that. What is the symbolism of all that?
We have said it here that God can use any medium. When we look at what happened in the book of Act 19: 11, it says God wrought extraordinary miracles through Paul. Anything that had contact with him were taken to the sick and they were all healed.

Are you a misunderstood man?
I am a tenant. If the landlord was misunderstood, what’s my position? I am a servant. The head of the house was misunderstood. What people do not understand, they call names. But what they understand they destroy.

Are you an underrated man?
Soul has nothing to do with high people. It is all about a regenerate soul. A regenerate sinner becomes a living soul. So forget about having a big church or whatnot. When you talk about soul, it is not about big, big people.

When I look at the size of your church and the fact that it is still growing, I begin to ask: Is it not possible your vision has become too small for the size of the ministry? In other words, five years from now, can this place contain you?
We have branches all in different countries. Our church is one of the biggest churches in Greece. And I think the one God has established here, we need to have the same size all over the world. It is not that important that it should expand, making it for all Nigerians to come here. No. This is my mission. Like I have told you, the way and manner God executes His plans in our life differs. If I don’t have branches all over Nigeria and I have branches in other countries – that is the way God wants it.

Already, you are running two shifts. Which means if you grow some more, you might have to run more shifts. Where will your people park and so on?
When the situation is such that I would be running three services, then it is better I establish in other countries like say Ghana. People can come there. Eighty percent of my members are not from Nigeria. And anywhere that honey is, insects seek it and find it.

What is the honey here?
It is the anointing; the anointing of God.

How did you meet you beautiful wife?
I think she would be in the position to grant you an interview. She is such a wonderful woman. You too know that behind any man is a woman. No man can go it alone. I salute her. This woman, hmm, is a mother. When you say somebody is your mother, she’s more than a wife. And I don’t know the words. I am short of words to describe her. She is someone that amidst all the noise, noise, noise, she would just look. She’s my counsellor, adviser. She would tell you: it’s a matter of time. And you would never hear her voice. If this woman is not a good woman, I don’t think you would find me in the situation I am today. Because, you cannot have problems out there and have problems in the house. Many that don’t have problems in the outside, they have problems in the inside. And the problem inside is greater, is more powerful and is more dangerous than the outside.

Where are your children?
My children? They are there.

How many?
They are there. They are doing fine. That’s why I have plenty children.

You don’t have biological children yet?
I have biological children.

How many?
I have three.

How many boys and how many girls?
If I begin to say how many boys, how many girls, those who have no boy or have no girl might feel discouraged. As a minister of God, I shouldn’t discourage anybody. If I begin to say I have so-so girls, I have so-so boys, those who do not have at all would feel discouraged. My words should be words of encouragement, to tell them that what a man can do, a woman can do it, and what a woman can do, a man can do.

How do you feel not having a boy?
Ah, ah, how do you come to the conclusion that I don’t have a boy?

As a man of God, can you look God in the face and admit you have not cheated on your wife?
Let me tell you one thing about the situation. What is happening, you are seeing the level of understanding and the obedience in union between me and my wife.

But you are a handsome man. Don’t women tempt you?
You say what?

Don’t you face temptation from women, a handsome man like you?
Like I have said, if you are not tempted with money and you are not tempted with woman, and you are not tempted with pride…I want to tell you that God Almighty has been manifesting His strength in my weakness. For when I am weak, then I am strong. Thank you. Are you okay? (Laughs)

How rich are you now?
Mmmh, this is a question that I think if…I want to advise the whole world. And whatever you hear from me, take it. Because if I am telling you what I am not I am, God is there. Because as a servant of God, we cannot misinform the public. I am not a politician. I have to tell you. If I am telling you something now, you will hardly believe, but I want you to believe. In terms of cash, I am zero. When I have a hundred million today, I have one thousand five hundred people I have given scholarship. Leeds University alone in England, one person cost hundred thousand dollars. It is one of the best universities all over the world. And I have people all over.

I can give you my account number to check. I am zero. But people look at me, I don’t mind. My responsibility is so much that if I have trillion dollars today, I would not be able to save one dollar. It is not enough to care for the responsibility. Are you talking of dwarfs, widows, physically challenged, old age? When we leave here, I would take you to our store opposite here. It’s full of rice. We have five trailers of rice we just brought. Every month, it’s like that. And you know one trailer is five point three million naira. So I want to declare, I want to tell you today, you would find zero money in my accounts. But I am not owing banks and I am free from that. But I am just a zero. But my responsibility, God has been taking care of it.

When are you going to buy your own jet?
When I say I don’t have cash…(laughs); when I say I don’t have money, cash like this, where would I get money for plane? But I want to tell you something: there is nothing bad having a private jet. But the only condition I can have it, if God says I would have it, is for people to give me. And when you give me, you should also be ready to pay landing fee because I don’t know how I would get it. But I want to tell you that if ministers of God have it, there is nothing bad about that. It aids the gospel. I tell you that our fathers that have it, there is nothing bad about that. The way and manner God executes His plans in our lives differs. Some ministers, God says: ‘You, you would not have a private jet, I would send people to give you.’ While some, God says: ‘You, buy it, with your money.’

Adeboye's Private Jet - Matters arising...

I am not supporting those who are criticising the ownership of jets by men of God. It is true that there is difficulty in the society, there is poverty everywhere, but trial is the soil in which true ministers of God flourish. But I am not criticising because the way and manner God executes His plan in our lives differs. But as for me,

Adeboye's Private Jet....

I know, that even every car I have there, there is no single one I used my money to buy. Since I started this ministry, there is never a day I have been able to gather money. If I have one dollar, one responsibility is there to take the dollar. If I have 20 dollars today, 200 people are waiting to take the 20 dollars. It’s like having these things attract responsibility. I even say I don’t want money because money brings responsibility.

Are you planning to build a university?
We put it before God and God says yes, He would give us the grace. But this university would be for the needy; those who are brilliant but cannot afford to go to university. And the physically challenged too. The university would be mainly for the needy whom we are giving the scholarship. But before that, let us send people overseas to attend university there or here. Let us see what we can do to make the existing one better and better.

How do you explain your strategy of inviting heads of states to your church?
It’s you that know that they are heads of states. For me, a soul is a soul. Church is all about those who are being saved, not head of state. Why are you interested in Presidents?

Do you have any message for Nigeria?
My message is that it is high time we became a producing-nation, not a consumer-nation. If we know what it takes the producer that produces what you put on, you would know how you would care and how you would go about having plenty of it. And two, a producer sees whatever he does or whatever he gives as an assignment from God. Giving is an opportunity to reshape our destinies. When you are giving, you are reshaping your destiny. But mind you, what you give does not all that matter to God, but the way we give it.

Did you ever meet President Obasanjo?
President or no President, church is all about soul. Those who are being saved. It’s we that know this one is President, that one is President. So, we pastors should talk about souls being saved more, not the calibre or the class of people.

What are your success tips in life?
The secret is, feel what others feel. Jesus feels what we feel. You begin to succeed with your life when the hurt and problem of others matter to you. So, this is the problem we are facing in this country. When we feel what others feel, the public fund, public money and when you are voted to a position, you would consider the people that brought you there.